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Trixz · Oct 04, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Ok is everyone forgetting that thumpers and smitters have all taken a major beating to the head since The 6v6 HA Event? I'm thinking so. Everyone needs to stop crying and give it a chance. Like quite a few said a new metagame is going to take more then, what, a weekend to develop? Lets face it HA was becoming stale and repetitive and it needed this. If you don't like it, don't play, its really that simple.
-Trixz

YesNo · Oct 04, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

[QUOTE=Wildkat]Played during the 6 v 6 weekend and saw more copies of the same build than ever before.QUOTE]
True that. Here is a recap of the opposing teams builds I would run into:
ViMway, ViMway, dual/triple smite, ViMway, dual/triple smite, condition build (melandru's poison, taint), ViMway
You get the idea. And with elss people there is less to work with skillwise to bring the appropraite counters, so balance you say? I think not.

xulidan · Oct 04, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Yu Liang

I think that I can see the idea of making a separate 6v6 arena and a separate 8v8 arena. Who knows? Perhaps this is "tentacles in the battle isles" and a ploy of "Buy Nightfall or you won't get 8v8 back". I think the change is good, but being allowed both choices is a good idea. That way the less experienced players could build up their skills in 6v6, ready for 8v8.

Having 4-4(RA, TA), 6-6(new HA), 8-8(new whatever arena in NF), 8-8(gvg), and 12-12(AB) would work out nicely. Perhaps new "points" to gain in the new 8-8 arena?

RA TA- Gladiator points
HA-fame/rank
GVG-Champion points
AB-Kur/Lux points
so the new arena- Some new point-system maybe? What u guys think.

Shanaeri Rynale · Oct 04, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Just a thought.. Maybe they'll sell the ability to play 2 extra players available in the Gw store...

(hides)

Sorry for the frivolity, I do hope they create a seperate 6v6 woth 1/2 fame instead. it'll help the new players and yet keeping 8v8 will ensure the veteran HA players are happy and so continue to add valuable insight into the game.

Many PvP guilds are geared around the 8 player format, many of them will need to radically rethink their entire structure and team formation. In a time when a lot of guilds are quiet and the game as such is in cruise towards NF such distruption to Guilds may well prove to be the end of them. That cannot have AN's intent. Shake the metagame up sure, but do so in a way that is non distructive.

broodijzer · Oct 04, 2006, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I like this change. I'm in a small guild at the moment (16 members), and there are rarely more than 6 on at a time. Now we can have our little guild party doing HA

Scutilla · Oct 04, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Marz08

Ok So They are changing HA.Explain This Then.On the Factions Booklet it shows a Gladiators Isle East Of Team Arenas.I dont know one person too have actually been there!.

That picture was of a beta/test server build of Factions, either it was an arena the devs were using for tesing or it was a new PvP option that didn't make it to release. Either way, the announcement didn't say anything about adding a new PvP mode to replace 8v8 HA.

I for one could care less, considering I have a whopping 18 fame to my name (16 of it was from the 6v6 weekend, mostly because some guildmates goaded me into HAing with them).

Like every other "oh noes it's the end of GW" crisis that comes along, there will be a lot of people saying that they don't like it and are going to quit over it, and a few might actually do so. But life will go on- those who like it will have a blast with it, and the majority of those who don't will either learn to like it or get over it and move on to something else.

I really don't think ANet's stupid enough to make a change that will alienate more players than it will make happy. You can make sweeping generalizations about "most high-ranked players don't like this" or "people were only saying they liked it because of the double fame event", but ANet has among other things people that comb the fan forums every day to see what the community thinks about certain issues, and are in a much better position to make an informed decision than Joe Schmo Forum Member. I guess they determined that such a change would make the majority of the community happy.

Yu Liang · Oct 04, 2006, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Well, if there was a new 6v6 arena separate to 8v8 - it could be the same amount of fame given. Then you could consolidate all your existing ViMways into one affordable monthly arena. Or something to that affect. We could even bring in Carol Vorderman to advertise it.

Sarevok Thordin · Oct 04, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

IT's amazing the ammount of old men like elitists saying "O I WON'T BUY NIGHTFALL CUS I CAN'T IWAY ANYMORE"

NF wasn't going to affect your precious IWAY build, if you are too set in your ways to do anything BUT IWAY, hush.

I welcome this change with open arms. Maybe the size will go back up once people get a feel for paragons and dervishes and can see their gimmick killing powers (if any)

oh and,

*puts on shield against GTFO PvE noob elitists*

Boofhead · Oct 04, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

[QUOTE=YesNo]

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Originally Posted by Wildkat

Played during the 6 v 6 weekend and saw more copies of the same build than ever before.QUOTE]
True that. Here is a recap of the opposing teams builds I would run into:
ViMway, ViMway, dual/triple smite, ViMway, dual/triple smite, condition build (melandru's poison, taint), ViMway
You get the idea. And with elss people there is less to work with skillwise to bring the appropraite counters, so balance you say? I think not.

Here's a recap of the current HA metagame: iway, iway, iway, bloodspike, iway, iway, bloodspike... you get the idea. Less skill slots means you'll have to be more thoughtful about your skill choices... or maybe you'll have to out-play the other team instead?

Fantus · Oct 04, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by broodijzer

I like this change. I'm in a small guild at the moment (16 members), and there are rarely more than 6 on at a time. Now we can have our little guild party doing HA

I hear you. I have been there myself when I started HA. Honestly, I can understand anyone who says that a 6x6 arena would be nice to have. On the other hand, does this mean we need to tear down the old 8 man HA for that? Why not just offer a NEW 6 man arena and keep the old HA as is for the people who like that format as is? Players who love 8 man HA seem to hate 6x6 and vice versa, so why not giving both groups what they like? Choices are a good thing...

lightblade · Oct 04, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

6v6 allows more build varity

Do the math!!
10 nCr 8 = 45
// 10 different professions with 8 player team; You'll only get 45 different combinations
10 nCr 6 = 210
// 10 different professions with 6 player team; You'll get 210 different combinations. Even if only 1/4 of these combinations work, that's still more than 8 player teams
12 nCr 6 = 924
// 12 different professions with upcoming chapter 4; You'll get 924 different combinations. Compare to...
12 nCr 8 = 495
// 12 different professions with 8 player team; You get 495 different combinations.

Conclusion: Those pre-searing cadets that's against 6v6 should join the forum discussion more. You're all playing cookie cutter builds like vimway and blood spike.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

NF wasn't going to affect your precious IWAY build, if you are too set in your ways to do anything BUT IWAY, hush.

NF IS going to effect both IWAY build AND VIM builds. Well of Silence, Signet of Sorrow, Vocal Minority, and Ulcerous Lungs are all skills that's made specifically to counter Shouts and Chants (including IWAY and VIM).

lennymon · Oct 04, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Anet knows there's a split on this issue, I'll be watching for a new 8v8 arena soon.

Shanaeri Rynale · Oct 04, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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// 12 different professions with upcoming chapter 4; You'll get 924 different combinations. Compare to...
12 nCr 8 = 495
// 12 different professions with 8 player team; You get 495 different combinations.

You're not comparing like with like..

Either run the numbers including the assumptions for both using ch4, or better still remove the assumption altogether.

dargon · Oct 04, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Wildkat

This may be a bad financial move as well.Why would people buy more character slots when there are less options to play in HA?Was also looking forward to playing a support build that is slightly flexable on skills.Some of the new rit and assasin Nightfall skills looked like they would fit in nicely in 8 v 8 HA.Not any longer......It's hard enough to be flexable in 8v8.Try running a mod in 6v6 and you will be kicked from the group faster than a blood spike's spike.The arguement came up about so many iway,bloodspike,vim,exc in tombs.Big deal,there will always be a popular build and counters to it.Will sadly be looking for another game to play once this goes into effect as the 8 v 8 gvg doesn't have as much variety as 8 v 8 HA and gvg is a whole different atmosphere.Played during the 6 v 6 weekend and saw more copies of the same build than ever before.It was also harder to make a counter to the build because there was less room to work with skillwise and support wise.As far as finding a group also had more trouble as there was no need for some of the classes that I like to play.Oh well ,more free character slots ....

Uhm, can I have some of the drugs you're smoking? People don't buy character slots just so they can play a particular class in HA. As for special builds, if you're worried about getting kicked from a team because your build isn't standard, MAKE YOUR OWN TEAM.

Mia R · Oct 04, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Please excuse the sarcasm I am about to use...but

I think 6 people underworld teams with the monsters nerfed..to make it more fun ..is a good idea, just like 6 v 6 HA

What u think Anet go go go make an event weekend for it !

Wildkat · Oct 04, 2006, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Yes I will be more thoughtful about my skill choices.I will just bring cg to shut down a monk in a 2 monk backline.Gg.Will be a lot less fun "outplaying" the hordes of condition builds that were in HA over the weekend.Why bother to use new skills when there is simply less room for flexability.A lot of the skills in Iway have been nerfed and bring a mes ot two or a water ele against bloodspike.It does wonders.So many people crying over two builds.Look at the reasoning for them 6 N/mo or 5 n/mo and a rit=a crapload of healing without sacrificing much damage along with the extra en from spirits.Iway(before all the nerfs)eoe,easy enchant removal,tf,iway,lots of traps,snares and intterupts from the pd.The sad thing is if you look at some of the Night fall skills closely enough they seem to be good counters to some of the fotm builds today.Avatar of Melandru and aoe scythe will definitly pose problems for vim .....at least in 8 v 8 anyway.6 v 6 = a mad rush for the backline.Not fun at all.

natuxatu · Oct 04, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Hm well I could care less about this I'm just sad that the Green Drop weekend got pushed back >< It was the first "double whatever weekend" that I was excited about.

supaet · Oct 04, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

For those that are for the 6v6, please don't be selfish. If you want a new game play mode 6v6, please petition to anet and ask them to create an new pvp game type. 8v8 and 6v6 is totally different. It's good to bring on new game plays but please do not kill off the existing ones. LET PLAYERS CHOOSE. One more time to all the poster of this thread: STOP SAYING which mode is better. UNITE and get ANET to offer BOTH modes, then we're ALL HAPPY.

Cnegurozka · Oct 04, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

You are right Tim~, this is good for everything you said. But the "few" players that are playing HA now will lose every they played in GW now! 6v6 isn't a general bad idea, but it is worth kicking out HA?
You need to face one thing: this isn't a change on HA, this is shutting down HA and putting a new arena named HA up instead. Maybe it would be a nice addition but not at the expense of the whole Tombs like it has been from beginning. I don't know what you are playing, but how would you like it if they make gvg 4v4? (just an example for you gvg folks out there)

supaet · Oct 04, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by TimTimTimma

You do if 75% of that "large portion" welcome/want the change. If 75% are willing to accept it, than 20% are willing to debate about it, and about 5% or less are willing to rage the game or HA completely. I don't ha at 8v8, if I want 8v8 I gvg. It is 6v6, so I will probably be doing alot of 6v6, and I know there are alot of people like me out there so I am sure the actual number of players in HA will only increase from this. It gives gvg guilds a good alternative to gvg when only 6 core are online. This change is adding alternatives to low end pvp and high end pvp. You no longer gotta do 4v4 or 8v8. You now can 4v4, 6v6 or 8v8. People love choices, thats all there is to it.

gvg 8v8 requires an active/hardcore pvp guild. the current 8v8 hoh is gear toward the casual pvp crowd and pugs. Again, not saying 6v6 is bad, but it eliminates one important aspect of pvp, the casual 8v8 with pugs. Again, I want CHOICES! ANET, give me BOTH 6v6 and 8v8 hoh. DONT give me a new one and take away an old one! example, you have 5 toys that you love, and your parents wants to give you a new toy but you they must take away a similar toy. WHY? can't they just allow you to have 6 toys? where's the love?